tv Face the Nation CBS September 20, 2015 8:30am-9:01am PDT
>> dickerson: today, democratic presidential candidate hillary clinton joins us to talk about campaign 2016. four years since hillary clinton came on a sunday show she's here with us today we'll ask her how she thinks her campaign is going. plus get her take on news of the day. and who she would like to run against in the general election if she wins the nomination. we'll also hear from republican candidate and kentucky senator rand paul. we'll have analysis from the latest from the campaign trail. finally we'll take a look at the politics of the pope. what washington can learn from him while he's in town this week. all coming up on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson we're joined by democratic presidential candidate and former secretary of state, hillary clinton, welcome
secretary clinton we're glad to have you. let's start in the news, syrian refugees. president obama said he will increase the number allowed into 10,000 that enough? >> we're facing the worst refugee crisis since the end of world war ii. i think united states has to do more and i would like to see us move from what is a good start with 10,000 to 65,000 and begin immediately to put into place the mechanisms for vetting the people that we would take in, looking to really emphasize some of those who are most vulnerable, lot of the persecuted, religious minorities including christians and some who have been brutalizeed by o but also want the united states to lead the world and i recommended that at the upcoming u.n. general assembly there be an international meeting called by the secretary general and get people to commit, putting money in, helping the front line states like jordan and turkey
and lebanon who work with the eu and european countries but getting everybody to make a contribution. >> dickerson: let me ask you about the underlying condition, you advocated, ultimately put in place, we now hear that that is not going well at all out of 12,000 syrians have been trained there are only handful that can actually fight. is this a bad idea or was this -- this was a good idea but poorly executed. >> did i recommend that at the beginning of this conflict we do more to help train those who were in the forefront meeting the opposition against assad looking to bring the moderates together, a lot of these rebels originally, they were business people, they were professional people, they were students, they had no training in going up against the syrian army which was going to use to the ultimate effect. that was not the decision taken at that time. a lot of what i worried about
has happened. there are now big ungoverned territories within syria that are dominated by terrorist groups, isis being the best known. but not the only one. you have iran and russia increasingly moving in to support assad and his constant bombardment against his own people. then you have these millions of refugees, where we are today is not where we were. and where we are today is that we have a failed program. you heard the testimony. five people trained for half 500 million dollars. but i think we still have to keep working with the turks, with the jordanians, with others of our partners, also have to do more to support the cords, something that i have also advocated. >> dickerson: let me ask you about rush a. u.s. policy now we're not going to turn to the russians for help the same russians who have -- were busy in ukraine doing things we don't like them to d. israelis think they're involved in hezbollah.
>> i hope we're not turning to the russians. let me just quickly say that i wouldn't give up on training, but i sure would push the pentagon to take hard look what has been done has been such a failure. and what more we can do to support like kurdish fighters who are on the front lines. one of the difficulties we had, is that we basically were trying to train people to only take on isis. and terrorist networks, we're not training and equipping them to take on assad or his military or his proxies which include hezbollah. i hope we are not turning to the russians in that way. i hope what we're doing, is this is what i support, i heard secretary kerry say this is what we will be doing. i think secretary carter has begun these conversations, first of all, you have to figure out what they are doing. russia has long interest in seary they have had a face in -- naval base in syria for a long time. they have a connection because lot of syrians were educated in
the cold war in moscow and lot of russians actually moved to syria. they have not only deep links to syria and syrians, but they intend to support assad for their own reasons. and we need to really unpeel what it is they're trying to accomplish and work with others to try to contain them. i want to end by saying, if they are providing any equipment to hezbollah, if they are supporting hezbollah which is the main fighting force on behalf of the iranians to support assad but also deadly threat to israel then we have got to take action, whether there are tougher sanctions or other kinds of actions to prevent that from happening. >> dickerson: something that came up in the republican debate, jeb bush said, one thing is true about his brother, he kept america safe. do you agree with that? >> i think it's a complicated question, because of course 9/11 happened. i was a senator from new york and i was basically consumed by
my responsibility to help the people directly affected, my state and in the city. it did happen, then i do give president bush credit for bringing the country together around the threats that we did face. i said the war in iraq was a mistake. i supported what happened in afghanistan. he sorted all out, it's a mixed picture. >> dickerson: let me take you back to the 2008 campaign where iraq was a conversation, you ran an ad 3:00 a.m. $which became quite famous let's play that. >> i haven't seen that in a long time. >> dickerson: throw walk sunday here. >> 3:00 a.m., who do you want answering the phone? >> i'm hillary clinton, i approve this message. >> dickerson: the question, now you've been secretary of state. benghazi is that your 3:00 a.m. phone call and how well did you
handle that crisis. >> of course it was a crisis. we lost four brave americans including the person that i asked the president to send as ambassador. but we live in a dangerous world. and even our diplomats are at threat and that goes all the way back to, goodness sakes, taking over our embassy in tehran or bombings of our embassy when president reagan was in charge. this is a dangerous world. and i think what we had to do during that period of time in trying to protect our people after the attack on the consulate. giving them -- getting them evacuated not only working on what was going on in libya, we had embassies that were under attack or threatened to attack by terrorist groups across north africa indeed across much larger swath of the world. i think it was terribly tragic what happened. i immediately asked for
independent review, just like former secretary of state did. and i made that public. the only other person who did that was secretarial bright after our beam sees were bombed in africa. my view on this, we have to learn things. we are always learning. we learned after beirut. we have learned after benghazi but we're not going to be able to represent the united states working out of hermetically sealed tanks. we'll have to be out in the world. >> dickerson: one more question on benghazi. the charges in this campaign that after it happened, there was report inside state department and inside the government that this was a terrorist attack. but what we heard from the government at the time and from you was emphasis on this video that that had created the attack. the charges that there was a political pressure to make the case more about the video than to talk about terrorism. >> well, i just don't think that's fair i'm going to testify about this at the end of october before the committee looking into this. i think it's eighth investigation that congress has
conducted. there were two things going on simultaneously. i and others said that we were attacked, no doubt about that. that video which was still spinning through the world was being mentioned on social media, we had people climbing the walls at our embassy in cairo even before the attack and benghazi we had a lot of other attacks. i had to call the president, one of our neighboring countries to try to get them to help protect our embassy. i was worried about everything that was going on. and how people were responding to that, from north africa, to pakistan, all the way to indonesia. >> dickerson: political pressure to keep the story kind of a little more favorable in the administration. >> all i can tell you i never felt any political pressure or feel political reason to do anything other than what we tried to do which was immediately deal with the problems that were coming at us. >> dickerson: some questions
about benghazi led to discovery of your personal server if we use this episode as a way to think about the way would you run your presidency. let's say a clinton headquarters, the e-mail situation from the day you decided yes, to have the server. what went well, what didn't go so well? >> look, i've said that i didn't make the best choice. i should have used two separate e-mail accounts, one personal, one work related, what i did was allowed, it was above board. people in the government certainly knew that i was using a personal e-mail. but i tried to be transparent. and that includes releasing 55,000 pages, which sun precedented, nobody else that i'm aware of has ever done that, plus turning over the server, plus testifying at the end of october. i think people have questions, i want to try to answer them. >> dickerson: failure in judgment on your smart. >> it was permitted, it was allowed, i did it. i think that people can make their own judgments about that. but i've tried to be as transparent as i can.
>> dickerson: you talked a lot about transparency, when you think about trust, been a lot of talk about that in your campaign and voters, questions, they have questions. maybe related to this, trust and transparency are related, you've been transparent, released these e-mails but what about before, there was a period where you held on to the whole kit and could caboodle before any investigators were asking for it long after you were out of the state department it. >> wasn't that long, what i did was to send e-mails to people at their government accounts which i have ever reason to believe would be captured on the government systems. when we were asked to help the state department make sure they had everything from other secretaries of state, not just me, i said, okay, great, i'll go through them again. we provided all of them and more than 90% were already in the system in fact i gave so many that were not work related just to be as comprehensive as possible, they are already sending back about 1200 of them. did i what was as i said
allowed, i said it wasn't the best choice. turned out to be a mistake in retrospect at the time, given the fact that most of them were in the government systems, people are going to get a chance to see all kinds of behind the scenes conversations, most of which i'm embarrassed to say are kind of boring.t what i did and how i did it i'm proud of the work we did at the state department. really proud of all the career professionals i worked with, i'm proud of the people who came in with me and we got sanctions on iran put together that international coalition, got a new arms treaty with russia we did lot of important work. i want that to be the foal us of what people know about my tenure at the state department.
>> dickerson: some people know you have worked with you say what this e-mail situation suggests is that there's nobody around you who can say, secretary clinton, it's a bad idea, don't do this, do you have such a person? >> i have too many, actually. dickerson: before the fact not after. after serve giving you advice. >> ha is done by higher government officials including -- >> dickerson: not solely server just for you. >> it was done by others. let me just say that, yes, when i did it it was allowed, it was above board. now i'm being transparent as possible more than anybody else ever has been. >> dickerson: all right. secretary clinton, we'll pause right there. we'll be back in one more minute with more from secretary clinton. stay with us. i'm watson. and today hundreds of companies are putting me to work. i'm teaching watson to help your vet speak dog.
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>> dickerson: we're back now with secretary clinton. secretary clinton, donald trump had a supporter suggest the president was muslim not an american. donald trump continues to say nothing about that. are politicians on the hook for every crazy thing one of their supporters stands up and says? >> of course not, we all have supporters who may say things that we don't agree with. but when you are add an event and someone stands up and says something like that in front of you, then i do think you have a responsibility to respond. john mccain did back in the '08 campaign when somebody, one of his events said something similarly, untrue, and insulting about the president. mccain stopped that person. that's what donald trump should have done. i said the other day, he is fueling a level of paranoia and prejudice against all kinds of people. and when you light those fires, you better recognize that they can get out of control.
and he should start dampening them down and putting them out. he wants to talk about what he would do as president, that's obviously fair game. but to play in to some of the worst impulse, that people have these days that are really being lit up by the internet and other conspiracy-minded theories is just irresponsible. >> dickerson: which republican would you like to run against? >> john, notify -- i have no vote in that i'll run against whoever they put up against me. >> dickerson: are you doing anything to prepare for -- is your campaign doing anything? >> no, we're not. because this is such a personal decision. and the vice president has to sort this out. he's been so open in talking about how difficult this time is for him and his family and he's obviously considering what he wants to do, including whether he wants to run. and i just have the greatest respect and affection for him.
i think everybody just ought to give him the space to decide what is best for him and his family. >> dickerson: bernie sanders has made quite a point of not attacking you. he says he's not going to run any negative ads, would you pledge to do the same thing with him, not attack him, also tell your supporters, say love? >> i want this to be about ideas. i know bernie, i respect his enthusiastic and intense advocacy of his ideas. that's what i want this campaign to be about. i hope people who support me respect that. because this is a serious election. obviously running because i think it's better for the country if a democrat who has the kind of approaches and sam use that my husband had and barack obama has follows this presidency. >> dickerson: you can mark that down as yes? >> i have no y interest in doing that. >> dickerson: you're going to talk about obamacare this week. >> yes, i am.
dickerson: what is the big proposals you're going to offer? >> first let me say it's time that we say that the debate over -- the supreme court has twice upheld it yet congress has voted more than 50 times to repeal it. let's get beyond that, enough is enough. and we need to strengthen it not scrap it. it is the core of how we're going to provide health care to americans going forward, the 16 million. but there are other benefits to it that people who are not on the exchanges are being able to take advantage of. 158 million american women are no longer charged more for health care because of our gender. young people can stay on their parents' policies until they're 26 if you have preexisting conditions, insurance companies can't shut you out. we have a lot of positive. but there are issues that need to be addressed. i'm going to address them this week starting with how we're going to try to control the costs of skyrocketing prescription drugs. it's something that i hear about wherever i go.
as part of the plan i'll be rolling out in the next few days. >> dickerson: let me ask you about the planned parenthood videos. have you watched them? >> i've seen excerpts from them. i certainly read about them. what i am troubled by are the misleading, inaccurate allegations about them we heard from republicans at their debate. this is really an attack on planned parent hood which provides a lot of health services from cancer screenings to contraceptive services to so many other of the needs women have. to shut down the government which some republicans are advocating over funding for planned parenthood which takes care of millions of health needs. >> dickerson: policy debate this turned into. what was your action when you watched them? >> as planned parenthood has said these were misleadingly edited they were intention physically intentionally taken out of context. the fact is if we want to have
debate in this country about whether we should continue using -- doing fetal research it's not only planned parenthood that should be involved in that debate. all of the experts, all of the scientists, all of the research institutions, everybody who is looking to cure parkinson's, for example, should be asked, should we continue this. so far as i am aware, what they did despite the way it was portrayed is within the laws that were set up nor. >> dickerson: this week senate will vote to impose federal ban on late term abortions do you support federal limit on owe portion at any stage of pregnancy? >> this is one of those really painful questions that people raise and obviously it's really emotional. i think that the kind of late term abortion, is that take place are because of medical necessity. and therefore, i would hate to see the government interfering with that decision.
i think that again this gets back to whether you respect a woman's right to choose or not. and i think that is what this whole argument once again is about. >> dickerson: in politics this year, it looks like everything wants an outsider. now that's what you -- can i put you -- >> i cannot imagine anyone being more of an outsider than the first woman president. really, let's think about that. >> dickerson: i agree. >> all these mothers and fathers bring me the place mats with all the presidents and they bring their daughters they say, my daughter has a question for you. the daughter says, how come there are no girls on this place mat? >> dickerson: i agree that is -- that's a pretty big unconventional choice. >> dickerson: you know what i'm asking. >> i know you're asking do we want people who have never been elected to anything who have no political experience, who never made any hard choices in the public arena, voters will have to decide that. >> dickerson: but they worry that people who are inside are too inside.
that that's why the economic situation is tilted against the middle class. it's why they always feel like everybody can wiggle around the rules, that's something you have to deal with, right? >> course it is. that's why i have an economic policy that is on raising information. i think what we inherited from the bush administration, what president obama had to deal with had potential of becoming a great depression not just a great recession. we have now recovered 1 million jobs after losing 800,000 a month when he came into office. why would we go back to the same policies, call them insider, call them tilted toward the rich, giving corporations a free pass to do whatever they want. i'm against that. i've always been against that. i want to go back to economic policies where we create millions of new jobs and where people's incomes rise not just at the top but in the middle and at the bottom like they did under my husband. i'm not running for the third term, it would be really foolish not to say, you know, that worked better than what the republicans offer.
>> dickerson: what role should wall street pli in the economy? >> we need financial markets but they need to be put on notice that any of their behaviors that impact main street, that disrupt the kind of orderly processing of financial transactions because high frequency trading is now going to be making decisions in nanoseconds. or fooling around as they did in the '80s in packaging mortgage securities in way that really bombed us in to the great resection. i don't think any financial institution, not just banks, because i think it's important to recognize, there are a lot of financial institutions. ai g.i. was a problem. lehman brothers went bankrupt. they were not banks in the traditional sense. we need reign in the risks posed. >> dickerson: final question. your friend late diane blair wrote in her diary, quote, on her death bed. not going to do phony makeovers. knowing you don't want tone
gauge in phony makeovers, give us three words that is the real hillary clinton. just three. >> i can't possibly do that. i mean, look, i am a real person. with all the pluses and mine enthuses go along with being that. and i've been in the public eye for so long that i think, it's like the feature that you see in some magazines sometimes, real people actually go shopping. >> dickerson: all right. i'll have to interrupt you. hillary clinton. democrat presidential hillary clinton we hope to talk to you again soon thanks very much we'll be back in a moment.
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